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by John Perry
Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:15 pm
Forum: Hydrofoils
Topic: Hinged Bruce foiler
Replies: 8
Views: 76916

Re: Hinged Bruce foiler

Have just been catching up on the AYRS forum - I should look here more often. Robert - Great to hear that your boat is sailing nicely and presumably much as it was designed to sail! Hope you can make the best of your rather short summer sailing. I can see from your last photograph that the foil is p...
by John Perry
Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:35 pm
Forum: Hydrofoils
Topic: Hinged Bruce foiler
Replies: 8
Views: 76916

Re: Hinged Bruce foiler

Robert - I have just noticed your thread here - it looks to be very intersting experiment. I am surprised that no-one else (to my knowledge, such as that is) has tried to develop the Giles Whittaker hinged foil. I would say that from the films Giles produced a good few years ago now, the idea did wo...
by John Perry
Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:17 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Sub-fora discontinued
Replies: 1
Views: 3278

Re: Sub-fora discontinued

Theo - I have voted 'yes' to this. At first I thought there was something wrong since my vote did not add to the total, then I realise you have to log into the forum to vote, which is logical. I do think the forum is better without so many sections - a heavily used forum may need a number of subsect...
by John Perry
Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:16 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Holtom Foiler 21 - any information?
Replies: 1
Views: 2335

Holtom Foiler 21 - any information?

The 'office@ayrs.org' has just received an email from a Frenchman who has an opportunity to re-build a Foiler 21 sailing boat that he says is in rather poor condition. He has a copy of the original sales flyer for the boat (extracts below) and would appreciate any further information about it, or to...
by John Perry
Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:13 pm
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: AYRS Eastern Local Group Meeting - Sunday 2nd October
Replies: 1
Views: 33264

Re: AYRS Eastern Local Group Meeting - Sunday 2nd October

Kim's meeting as above worked out well, although we could have done with a few more attendees. Those who do attend our meetings show great enthusiasm for our subject matter and there is never a shortage of things to talk about, so why don't more of our members come along - all who have an interest i...
by John Perry
Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:08 pm
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: Speedweek - 15 to
Replies: 0
Views: 2796

Speedweek - 15 to

Speedweek - 15 to 21 October All AYRS paid up members should have received an email about Speedweek a week or two ago (let chairman@ayrs.org know if you did not) and there is also an announcement on the 'Events' section of our website, but for good measure I am including a last minute note about it...
by John Perry
Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:08 am
Forum: Craft
Topic: A floating Gym
Replies: 1
Views: 2241

A floating Gym

20220903_184135.jpg Josephine and I recently sailed our trimaran from Plymouth to Chichester (UK south coast) and back - the longest trip we have so far made with the boat. In Chichester harbour we took this picture of a catamaran that does trips round the harbour. Although it is not apparent from ...
by John Perry
Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:59 pm
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: AYRS Eastern Local Group Meeting - Sunday 2nd October
Replies: 1
Views: 33264

AYRS Eastern Local Group Meeting - Sunday 2nd October

Many thanks to Kim for setting up the meeting as below. I have also added these detail to the 'Events' page at ayrs.org and to the AYRS Facebook page. Please note that if in doubt the Events page at ayrs.org is generally the first place to look for details of forthcoming AYRS events and any updates ...
by John Perry
Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:32 pm
Forum: Welcome to the AYRS Forums
Topic: This Forum is functional again!
Replies: 2
Views: 11031

This Forum is functional again!

There has been a period of several months during which this forum has not been 'moderated' and that has meant that posts from members have not been appearing. This is something that the AYRS committee was not aware of until it was pointed out by one of our members, Theo Schmidt. I am pleased to say ...
by John Perry
Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:30 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Suboptimal waterstays for beach trimaran
Replies: 2
Views: 33694

Re: Suboptimal waterstays for beach trimaran

Hi Lars, welcome to the AYRS and to this forum. When your boat was a catamaran it (presumably) had the 3mm x 40mm stainless steel strap acting in tension to resist the downwards force on the forward beam from the mast foot but (presumably) there was no such structure to support the aft beam, nor was...
by John Perry
Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:30 am
Forum: Hydrofoils
Topic: V-Rex, a large, Moth-style foiler
Replies: 1
Views: 9209

Re: V-Rex, a large, Moth-style foiler

I fully agree with your analysis Robert. Selecting a viable configuration is a critical part of developing a record breaking sailing craft, but in terms of time and effort it is almost insignificant by comparison to all the detailed work to get a craft on the water and working as intended. This prop...
by John Perry
Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:25 am
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: Sail GP Event at Plymouth UK July 17/18 2021
Replies: 2
Views: 16946

Re: Sail GP Event at Plymouth UK July 17/18 2021

A quick report:- Superb weather for this event, more sun in the west country than we have had for ages. Light wind, but enough to get the SailGP boats foiling with full crew. I was recovering from a minor injury at the time of the event so had to miss the first day of racing and the gathering we had...
by John Perry
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:20 pm
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: Sail GP Event at Plymouth UK July 17/18 2021
Replies: 2
Views: 16946

Re: Sail GP Event at Plymouth UK July 17/18 2021

I now have a list of seven members who plan to visit Plymouth for SailGP - more welcome - email chairman@ayrs.org. The Social Secretary of Cargreen Yacht Club has offered us the use of the club's BBQ equipment on the evening of Saturday 17 July and they are prepared to open their bar specially for u...
by John Perry
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:55 pm
Forum: Welcome to the AYRS Forums
Topic: Hello from the Wirral
Replies: 1
Views: 7916

Re: Hello from the Wirral

Hi Paul - that's the rowing boat I built. That video was done a bit 'off the cuff' as something to include with the virtual dinghy show this year, I am sure the presentation of the video could be improved, maybe it will be eventually. It is a handy little boat and we are getting plenty of use from i...
by John Perry
Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:58 pm
Forum: Wind- & Water-turbines, Propellors, Human power
Topic: Faster than the wind??
Replies: 2
Views: 9137

Re: Faster than the wind??

The land yacht in that video, 'Blackbird', which Wikipedia tells me was built in 2010, appears to be basically similar to one built by Andrew Bauer many years earlier. Both were able to sail directly downwind substantially faster than the wind speed. As far as I know, Andrew Bauer was the first to d...
by John Perry
Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:21 am
Forum: Craft
Topic: solar electric propulsion of a power kat, 6.3 m
Replies: 19
Views: 16777215

Re: solar electric propulsion of a power kat, 6.3 m

Curiosity lead me to look up the specification for the Haswing 3.0 electric outboard motor that you mention. (https://www.boxmarine.co.uk/products/haswing-protruar-5hp-electric-outboard-24v-with-digimax-controller). One thing I noticed is that this is advertised as a 5hp motor, and the specification...
by John Perry
Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:51 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: Talk 'Yulohing on the Thames' - 6th April 17:45 BST
Replies: 1
Views: 68812

Re: Talk 'Yulohing on the Thames' - 6th April 17:45 BST

I have now been sent the joining details for the above talk as below:
Topic: LARNO chat
Time: 1800
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84909156208...
Meeting ID: 849 0915 6208
Passcode: 557847
by John Perry
Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:37 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: Talk 'Yulohing on the Thames' - 6th April 17:45 BST
Replies: 1
Views: 68812

Talk 'Yulohing on the Thames' - 6th April 17:45 BST

An AYRS member has just alerted the AYRS Committee to the above talk. At this stage we don't have any further information other than that the talk will be given by Zoom by Jacky Manning who is Secretary of the London RNR Former Members Club. I know that some AYRS members are interested in yulohs (sk...
by John Perry
Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:06 pm
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: Sail GP Event at Plymouth UK July 17/18 2021
Replies: 2
Views: 16946

Sail GP Event at Plymouth UK July 17/18 2021

I previously mentioned the SailGP Event to be held at Plymouth on 17/18 July in the 'News' section of this forum (do we have too many overlapping sections on this forum I wonder?) but I am now thinking that the weekend of this event could be an opportunity for an AYRS gathering - (subject to the vir...
by John Perry
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:11 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: Design competion for a small dinghy
Replies: 0
Views: 5982

Design competion for a small dinghy

The Junk Rig Association (https://www.junkrigassociation.org/) is offering a £250 prize for a competition to design a small dinghy which can be used as a yacht tender. The competition is open to all and the closing date for entries is the end of April 2021. Details in the attachment to this message.
by John Perry
Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:10 am
Forum: Welcome to the AYRS Forums
Topic: Hello from SF Bay - Tilt wing
Replies: 4
Views: 12189

Re: Hello from SF Bay - Tilt wing

Wingfoiling is a new branch of sailing sport that has taken off (literally!) amazingly quickly. I think it was less than two years ago that AYRS member Sav Salvage gave an inspiring talk about it at one of our AYRS meetings in Surrey UK. It was a really new thing then but now I am starting to see wi...
by John Perry
Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:39 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: 17 February - Zoom Conference about wind propulsion (Free)
Replies: 0
Views: 7461

17 February - Zoom Conference about wind propulsion (Free)

The Royal Institute of Naval Architects is holding a free conference about wind propulsion on the morning of 17 February, this to be via Zoom. This is the program for the morning: 11:00 – 11:10 Welcome and Introduction 11:10 – 11:45 Technology Panel 11:30 – 11:45 Technology Panel Discussion 11:45 – ...
by John Perry
Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:45 pm
Forum: Technical Papers for review and comment
Topic: Howard Fund
Replies: 38
Views: 16777215

Re: Howard Fund

Well done getting to this stage - your boat looks good, sails appear to set well. Of course our Editor will be pleased to receive anything you can write about it! Are you planing to do more testing this year, or will it wait to Springtime now?
by John Perry
Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Spline (mathematical)
Replies: 4
Views: 9575

Re: Spline (mathematical)

Hi Helmfried - thank you for emailing me your spreadsheet and for the English translation of the 'Gebrauchsanleitung' - this does help since like many people in the UK I have almost no understanding of other languages! I can see the purpose of the spreadsheet and I can see that in the tab Eingabe th...
by John Perry
Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:09 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Syroco proposal for Sailing Speed Record Challenger
Replies: 3
Views: 8660

Re: Syroco proposal for Sailing Speed Record Challenger

Hi Robert Did you find a video on the Syroco web site? - I did not see one there but looking at U tube I did find there is a Syroco U tube channel with, I think, 4 videos currently on it. These videos give a better idea of the concept than the Syroco website. It is clear from these videos that the h...
by John Perry
Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:09 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Spline (mathematical)
Replies: 4
Views: 9575

Re: Spline (mathematical)

Hi Helmfried - Sorry I cant immediately advise on uploading files to this forum - I am not the one running the website. You could email me your VBA file to j_perry AT btinternet DOT com, although I am not familiar with VBA files. Maybe this is something we could include in Catalyst? I havn't done an...
by John Perry
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:23 am
Forum: Welcome to the AYRS Forums
Topic: Hello from Berlin, Germany
Replies: 6
Views: 12511

Re: Hello from Berlin, Germany

I just thought it might be a problem if the boat is inhabited for long periods in colder weather, which perhaps is unlikely. As you say, the epoxy coating on the panels should be pretty well impermeable to the transmission of moisture. However, I remember being briefly involved in some study, I thin...
by John Perry
Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: Welcome to the AYRS Forums
Topic: Hello from Berlin, Germany
Replies: 6
Views: 12511

Re: Hello from Berlin, Germany

Good project - nice to have it documented on-line. Looking at your pictures at boote-forum.de I was interested to see the way you are making the roof of the cabin. Good to have the airspace between the upperside of the expanded polystyrene and the innerside of the outer deck skin and I guess that yo...
by John Perry
Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:06 am
Forum: Craft
Topic: Syroco proposal for Sailing Speed Record Challenger
Replies: 3
Views: 8660

Syroco proposal for Sailing Speed Record Challenger

AYRS member Neils Daken has passed me a link to a new proposal to challenge for the world sailing speed record - https://syro.co/en/speed-record/ This is a concept that AYRS members, myself included, have discusssed over and over again during Weymouth Speedweeks and AYRS technical meetings, but ther...
by John Perry
Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:46 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: Sail GP Cowes
Replies: 2
Views: 10934

Re: Sail GP Cowes

SailGP F50 hydrofoil catamaran racing is now scheduled to happen at Plymouth (UK) on 17/18 July 2021. Lets hope that the virus restrictions can be eased by then. I am not sure of my own plans that far ahead, Josephine and I may be at sea elsewhere. However, we do live near Plymouth so if we are at h...
by John Perry
Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:09 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Williwaw hydrofoil
Replies: 2
Views: 8216

Re: Williwaw hydrofoil

Yes, David Keiper was truely a pioneer with Williwaw. David's book about it all is still available, the title is 'Hydrofoil Voyager: WILLIWAW, From Dream To Reality and Toward the Sailing Yacht of the Future' I think you should be able to get a copy for about £10 from internet book sellers. Tom Spee...
by John Perry
Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:44 pm
Forum: Hulls & Keels
Topic: Boat Hydrostatics visualized
Replies: 3
Views: 7189

Re: Boat Hydrostatics visualized

Hi Helmfried - Well done - lots of work in that I am sure. I know its lots of work because in the early years of this centuary I tried to do something a bit similar. I wrote software to: Design a hull shape, the location of the waterline changing automatically as the shape is edited Add weights to t...
by John Perry
Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:11 pm
Forum: Welcome to the AYRS Forums
Topic: Hello from Berlin, Germany
Replies: 6
Views: 12511

Re: Hello from Berlin, Germany

Welcome Günter, - look forward to hearing more about your boat building project and perhaps seeing some pictures. I have not been to Berlin but I understand that there are many navigable rivers, canals and lakes in the area and I imagine that these would be ideal for leasurely exploration with a mob...
by John Perry
Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:06 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: Sail GP Cowes
Replies: 2
Views: 10934

Re: Sail GP Cowes

We are now into July 2020 and the SailGP website is still giving 14-15 August 2020 as the date for F50 catamaran racing based at Cowes UK. However, if you look further into the website you find that the whole SailGP program has been postponed to 2021 with seven events rather than five planned for 20...
by John Perry
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:07 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Power from kites
Replies: 0
Views: 9413

Power from kites

At a recent AYRS on-line meeting we briefly discussed generating power from kites and I showed a short video clip about the system developed by Scottish company Kite Power Systems (their intellectual property now I think sold to a Norwegian company). The idea of this is to run a kite line in and out...
by John Perry
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:41 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Antifouling
Replies: 1
Views: 5840

Re: Antifouling

At the recent AYRS Zoom meeting on anti-fouling methods we briefly mentioned 'boat bags' - see boatbath.co. These are roughly as you sugest although sodium hypochlorite (domestic bleach) rather than salt is normally added to the water in the bag. According to the website, only half a cup of bleach i...
by John Perry
Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:14 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Paradox/Yuloh/Electric
Replies: 1
Views: 5893

Re: Paradox/Yuloh/Electric

The electric 'godille' looks neat and simple - a clever design. We have several AYRS members who are experimenting with Yulohs and may not be aware that this is a recognised sport in France - perhaps we could mention this in our publications.
John
by John Perry
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:23 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: Sail GP Cowes
Replies: 2
Views: 10934

Sail GP Cowes

The SailGP event scheduled for 14 to 15 August at Cowes is still being advertised, presumably the organisers are hoping that the current restrictions will have been relaxed by then. If the event does go ahead, then, given suitable weather, it should be spectacular. I noticed that if you wish to watc...
by John Perry
Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:35 pm
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: AYRS Zoom meetings
Replies: 1
Views: 10153

Re: AYRS Zoom meetings

We have now successfully held our first two Zoom meetings, you can view recordings of these meetings via links included under 'Meeting Reports' on this website. I decided not to attempt to edit these recordings so what you see is how the meeting progressed, including waiting for everyone to arrive a...
by John Perry
Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:44 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Halyard locks and reefing hooks
Replies: 8
Views: 15956

Re: Halyard locks and reefing hooks

Hi Alex, thank you for the pictures which are nice and clear but I have to admit that I still don't understand how it works! I can see that the hooks cut in the sheet metal part will lock onto the cross bar through the mast and perhaps the 'small spur' helps to guide it onto the cross bar? But how d...
by John Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Halyard locks and reefing hooks
Replies: 8
Views: 15956

Re: Halyard locks and reefing hooks

Would be nice to see your pictures Alex, your arrangement is still not all that clear to me! When you post to this forum are you writing in an editing box that has a row of square buttons above it, the left most button being 'B' for 'Bold', this followed by 'I' for 'Italics' etc. ? If so, the follow...
by John Perry
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:04 pm
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: AYRS Zoom meetings
Replies: 1
Views: 10153

AYRS Zoom meetings

As you can see from our Home page and our Events List, we are trying out Zoom as a way to hold AYRS meetings during the current pandemic. We will have to see how this works out, if it is successful we might want to continue with such meetings beyond the current situation, but I think as a supplement...
by John Perry
Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:17 am
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: Postponed - AYRS South West UK meeting - Saturday 4th April 2020
Replies: 1
Views: 10309

Re: Postponed - AYRS South West UK meeting - Saturday 4th April 2020

We replaced the meeting proposed for the Forder Community Hall with a meeting using the Zoom system. I think this was the first time the AYRS has held an open meeting by video conferencing, who knows, in years to come we might look back on that as a little historic event! Since our first meeting was...
by John Perry
Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:19 am
Forum: Craft
Topic: Halyard locks and reefing hooks
Replies: 8
Views: 15956

Halyard locks and reefing hooks

AlexQ23 posted the following in the section 'Technical papers for review and comment' - I thought it best to put this into a new thread. ' The purpose of the winch is triple: As you mentioned, it helps to hoist the keel, but also to raise the mast and finally it could help to raise the sails. But it...
by John Perry
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:45 pm
Forum: Technical Papers for review and comment
Topic: Howard Fund
Replies: 38
Views: 16777215

Re: Howard Fund

Hi Sav - I have replied privately with more detail, but if people want to apply for the Howard fund they should follow guidlines on this website (About AYRS>Howard fund). The email for sending an application to the AYRS Secretary is office@ayrs.org I am also confused about the AYRS Facebook page - i...
by John Perry
Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:02 pm
Forum: Instrumentation & Control
Topic: Sail pressure measurement
Replies: 5
Views: 14256

Re: Sail pressure measurement

18-12-16 Pressure transducer.pdf I realise that I forgot to add the attachment to my previous email on this topic, so that attachment is added to this message - see link to .pdf file above. The coloured pictures are FEA results showing the predicted stress in the circular shim - the six holes arrou...
by John Perry
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:58 pm
Forum: Instrumentation & Control
Topic: Sail pressure measurement
Replies: 5
Views: 14256

Re: Sail pressure measurement

Hi Alex - I am not quite sure what you mean by 'tell tales connected through the sail' perhaps you have in mind somthing like a hinged flap mounted in a small hole through the sail so that the flap moves when there is a pressure differential between one side of the sail and the other? If that is wha...
by John Perry
Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:06 am
Forum: Instrumentation & Control
Topic: Sail pressure measurement
Replies: 5
Views: 14256

Re: Sail pressure measurement

Thanks Alex - I have taken a look at the website for the Dwyer gauges. The most sensitive ones have full scale deflection of 100Pa (about 10mm wg) which is the stagnation pressure for an air velocity of 12.9 m/s - I still think of wind as a Beaufort scale, this is Force 6. So that is about the sensi...
by John Perry
Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:18 am
Forum: AYRS Meetings
Topic: Postponed - AYRS South West UK meeting - Saturday 4th April 2020
Replies: 1
Views: 10309

Postponed - AYRS South West UK meeting - Saturday 4th April 2020

Following government guidance on 'social distancing', we have to postpone this meeting. We look forward to a time when we can announce a new date. --------------------------------------------------------- Venue - Forder Community Hall, Forder, Nr. Saltash PL12 4QR Important note: Public parking wit...
by John Perry
Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:18 pm
Forum: Instrumentation & Control
Topic: Sail pressure measurement
Replies: 5
Views: 14256

Sail pressure measurement

Measuring the distribution of pressure over the windward and leeward surfaces of sails is one of many potential projects I have had in mind although I havent yet been able to make practical progress due to time spent going sailing/rowing and carrying out routine boat maintenance etc. A basic difficu...
by John Perry
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Instrumentation & Control
Topic: Accuracy of GPS speed measurement
Replies: 3
Views: 10912

Re: Accuracy of GPS speed measurement

I have come to the conclusion that, based on specifications from receiver manufacturers, GPS speed measurement is not sufficiently accurate for drag measurement by towing. I have considered a couple of alternatives: 1) measurement of speed at a shore mounted winch that is doing the towing 2) measure...
by John Perry
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: Instrumentation & Control
Topic: Accuracy of GPS speed measurement
Replies: 3
Views: 10912

Re: Accuracy of GPS speed measurement

Hi Fred My understanding is that GPS determines speed by a method that is fundamentally different to the method by which it determines position. Hence knowledge of the positional accuracy does not necessarily tell us much, if anything, about speed accuracy. The American government provides informati...
by John Perry
Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:40 pm
Forum: Instrumentation & Control
Topic: Accuracy of GPS speed measurement
Replies: 3
Views: 10912

Accuracy of GPS speed measurement

Can anyone tell me about the accuracy of GPS speed measurement - I ask because I am wondering if it is worth including GPS speed measurement in the unit I built to measure the drag of towed hulls at the recent AYRS event at the Bassingstoke Canal Centre - see posts here under 'Events'. The American ...
by John Perry
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:34 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: AC 75 Now Afloat
Replies: 3
Views: 8399

Re: AC 75 Now Afloat

Two AC 75's now launched and sailed for the first time! This is the AC75 'Defiant, from the American Magic AC cup team, I think the very first video to come into the public domain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-43qV_U9biY Pretty well rock steady, even foiling through a gybe. Amazing for a first s...
by John Perry
Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:14 am
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: AYRS meeting at the Basingstoke Canal Centre - 21 & 22 September 2019
Replies: 3
Views: 10162

Re: AYRS meeting at the Basingstoke Canal Centre - 21 & 22 September 2019

Well, a handfull of people have expressed interest in coming to our meeting at the Basingstoke Canal Centre this weekend. (Note that it's not at Basingstoke - it's near Farnbourough in west Surrey). So, with the weather looking fair it promises to be a good opportunity to chat about our projects and...
by John Perry
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: AYRS meeting at the Basingstoke Canal Centre - 21 & 22 September 2019
Replies: 3
Views: 10162

Re: AYRS meeting at the Basingstoke Canal Centre - 21 & 22 September 2019

With the proposed towing tests now less than 2 weeks away I spent yesterday rigging up a load cell with an arduino microcontroller. It will need to be connected to a laptop to use it, I don't think I have time to include data display and storage at this stage. The need to take a laptop afloat could ...
by John Perry
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: AC 75 Now Afloat
Replies: 3
Views: 8399

AC 75 Now Afloat

Well, the first AC 75 is now afloat, there are a few videos on the internet, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuI1ILwo7tI When we first saw the concept I expect that some of us wondered if it would even stay upright in a flat calm. Well I expect it will but we still dont have confirmation of tha...
by John Perry
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:52 am
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: AYRS meeting at the Basingstoke Canal Centre - 21 & 22 September 2019
Replies: 3
Views: 10162

Re: AYRS meeting at the Basingstoke Canal Centre - 21 & 22 September 2019

This event is now two weeks away. Not all our members read the posts on this forum so I have sent an announcement to all members within approximately 80 miles of the venue in Surrey UK, using email for those members who have provided the AYRS with an email address and post for those who have not. Th...
by John Perry
Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:37 pm
Forum: Sails & Aerodynamics
Topic: Request for collaboration
Replies: 18
Views: 38735

Re: Request for collaboration

The picture below is an interpretation of the aerostat with (approximately) vertical wing. I say wing, although I would really prefer call it a sail since it performs the duty of a sail on a yacht rather than the wing on an aircraft. Aerostat-01.jpg I can see that you could use a bridle attached at ...
by John Perry
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: AYRS meeting at the Basingstoke Canal Centre - 21 & 22 September 2019
Replies: 3
Views: 10162

AYRS meeting at the Basingstoke Canal Centre - 21 & 22 September 2019

All are invited to this weekend event in Surrey and If you cannot attend the whole weekend you are welcome to drop in for any part of the event. The Basingstoke canal is a very pretty stretch of water but it is not really suitable for sailing since there are low bridges and overhanging trees. Many A...
by John Perry
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: Craft
Topic: AC75 Class Rule
Replies: 0
Views: 11392

AC75 Class Rule

The class rule for the boats that will be raced in the next America's Cup is now in the public domanin - could be te most complicated yacht class rule ever! Click here: AC75_Class_Rule v1.1 29 June 2018.pdf Would anyone care to predict which will be fastest - an AC75 or the F50 catamaran which is de...
by John Perry
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:00 am
Forum: Craft
Topic: Press release: AC50 catamaran will do 20mph SOG against a 10mph tide in zero wind?
Replies: 2
Views: 8436

Re: Press release: AC50 catamaran will do 20mph SOG against a 10mph tide in zero wind?

I don't think there is enough public domain information about the aero and hydro dynamics of the current F50 catamarans for it to be possible to calculate whether or not this claim by Artemis Technologies is realistic. However, perhaps we can do some guesswork analysis to at least get an idea. Doing...
by John Perry
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:44 am
Forum: Sails & Aerodynamics
Topic: Request for collaboration
Replies: 18
Views: 38735

Re: Request for collaboration

Hi Robert, Sorry you lost your typing, this reminds me that when writing more than a few words to an internet forum it is best to first enter the text into a separate app then copy and past it to the forum website! I like to use the free Notepad++ app for that kind of thing, I find it much better th...
by John Perry
Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:47 pm
Forum: Sails & Aerodynamics
Topic: Request for collaboration
Replies: 18
Views: 38735

Re: Request for collaboration

Just one further point: I recall that when Didier Costes last attended a meeting of the AYRS, which was quite a few years ago now, I clearly remember him saying that the best lift to drag ratio of an airship hull used as an aerofoil is about 4:1. Perhaps this one piece of information might enable yo...
by John Perry
Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:54 pm
Forum: Sails & Aerodynamics
Topic: Request for collaboration
Replies: 18
Views: 38735

Re: Request for collaboration

Robert Biegler wrote: That is what I expect for an aerostat straight downwind of the anchor point, whose angle of attack is determined by the attachment point below the envelope, at least once there is enough wind that you can neglect the effect of buoyancy. If the aerostat has a wing attached to th...
by John Perry
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:53 pm
Forum: Sails & Aerodynamics
Topic: Request for collaboration
Replies: 18
Views: 38735

Re: Request for collaboration

Rober Biegler wrote: Is anyone interested in getting involved? Yes, I am always interested in helping with other members projects and have done on a number of occasions in the past. One that springs to mind is the series of paravanes that I constructed for Slade Penoyre, past Treasurer of AYRS. The ...
by John Perry
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:13 pm
Forum: Sails & Aerodynamics
Topic: Request for collaboration
Replies: 18
Views: 38735

Re: Request for collaboration

Not in either individual beam. And my understanding was that the torsional strength of individual beams makes a negligible contribution to the torsional stiffness of the whole structure. Robert, I guess that what you meant to say is the the torsional strength of individual beams makes a negligible ...
by John Perry
Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:37 pm
Forum: Hydrofoils
Topic: Trifoiler-style foils on IMOCAs?
Replies: 6
Views: 15381

Re: Trifoiler-style foils on IMOCAs?

I have just edited my post above since looking at it again I see that something I said is not right. I said that the foil should be adjusted so that its lift to drag ratio tracks that of the hull, or words to that effect. This is clearly wrong since for it to be worth using the foil, the lift to dra...
by John Perry
Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:00 pm
Forum: Hydrofoils
Topic: Trifoiler-style foils on IMOCAs?
Replies: 6
Views: 15381

Re: Trifoiler-style foils on IMOCAs?

I am not convinced that a constant angle of attack, perhaps at optiumum L/D of the foil, is best, because that neglects that at low speed, hulls can carry weight with less drag, and at high speed, a slightly higher angle of attack might still pay off by lifting the hull further out of the water, an...
by John Perry
Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:05 pm
Forum: Sails & Aerodynamics
Topic: Request for collaboration
Replies: 18
Views: 38735

Re: Request for collaboration

and partly from the moment of inertia that comes from the distance between beams. Robert: Quoting part of a sentence from you message, I think the above is a misconception. Considering two hulls joined by two cross beams, it is true that as the craft as a whole is twisted (i.e. one bow and an oppos...
by John Perry
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:46 pm
Forum: Sails & Aerodynamics
Topic: Request for collaboration
Replies: 18
Views: 38735

Re: Request for collaboration

Presumably you are aware of the work done by Didier Costes and the airships Zeppy 1 (1985) and Zeppy 2 (1992) and Zeppy 3 (2008). Zeppy 2 was an amazing project to cross the Atlantic ocean using an airship connected to a hapa (paravane) with pedal powered airscrew as a second means of propulsion. Th...
by John Perry
Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:17 pm
Forum: Hulls & Keels
Topic: Constant Camber (tm)
Replies: 4
Views: 12427

Re: Constant Camber (tm)

Have no personal experience but my freind Simon attended one of the AYRS meetings we held in Devon a few years back and he told us all about how he and his friend Andy built a 10m catamaran using the 'cylynder mold' method. Basically he hated that method of boat building and wished that he had built...
by John Perry
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:38 pm
Forum: Hydrofoils
Topic: Trifoiler-style foils on IMOCAs?
Replies: 6
Views: 15381

Re: Trifoiler-style foils on IMOCAs?

When you mentioned the Trifoiler I somehow had the idea that you were talking about the Rave Windrider trimaran which I think was the same vintage, not the Hobie product that I think was a production version of the Longshot record holder - sorry about that. Thinking about this again, I think there i...
by John Perry
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:55 am
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: Thorpe Meeting Novenmber4th
Replies: 1
Views: 7066

Re: Thorpe Meeting Novenmber4th

I thought we had a good meeting on Sunday, significantly better attendance than this time last year. Thanks again to Fred and Margaret for making it happen. As always there was no shortage of speakers to tell us about their current projects, it seems that quite a few AYRS members are active in their...
by John Perry
Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:56 pm
Forum: Hydrofoils
Topic: Trifoiler-style foils on IMOCAs?
Replies: 6
Views: 15381

Re: Trifoiler-style foils on IMOCAs?

By Trifoiler style foils do you mean fully immersed inverted Tee foils that have flaps linked (as with the Moth main foil) to a 'wand' that senses height above water surface? If that is what you mean, then I am not sure it would be allowed under the current IMOCA class rules (2018). Rule C.7.1(e) sa...
by John Perry
Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:14 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Microtransat
Replies: 3
Views: 10556

Re: Microtransat

The link below is one of several papers about ocean research work carried out using SB-MET. http://sailbuoy.no/files/Report_Ekofisk_Nov2015.pdf The author does not go into detail about how SB-MET navigates itself, the main purpose of the paper being to discuss the capability of SB-Met to carry out w...
by John Perry
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:17 am
Forum: Hulls & Keels
Topic: Hull impact resistance
Replies: 4
Views: 40777

Re: Hull impact resistance

https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/489313454775023/ I just came accross the above link - a fascinating promotional film from the early days of glass fibre boat building. Just look at the clothing worn, both afloat and while laying up glass fibre in the workshop! Relevant here since it does s...
by John Perry
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:04 am
Forum: Hulls & Keels
Topic: Hull impact resistance
Replies: 4
Views: 40777

Re: Hull impact resistance

Maybe better to ensure the hull has compartmentation and/or bouyant material sufficient that a puncture does not matter too much. So, although its a rather academic question, what hull material does have the best specific puncture resistance, i.e. for a given weight of panel, what kind of panel will...
by John Perry
Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:47 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Trailers, a warning
Replies: 2
Views: 10792

Re: Trailers, a warning

Well, my trailer maintanance may not be perfect but I hope that neither myself nor any other AYRS member would let their trailer get into that state! I find that with the type of suspension shown in that picture there is a tendancy for the wheels to splay outwards when the trailer is loaded - i.e. t...
by John Perry
Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:37 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner
Replies: 12
Views: 27975

Re: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner

Josephine and myself have had a very good sailing summer, in Croatia, Italy, France and in the past month within our home waters around Plymouth UK. So I havent had much chance to look at internet forums, including this one. But now we are back on land its good to see that you have made great progre...
by John Perry
Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:11 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Microtransat
Replies: 3
Views: 10556

Re: Microtransat

Well done the Norwegians, is the AYRS team (Mike Howard et al) still interested in this challenge. Still possible to do it faster! I took a look at the Norwegian teams website http://sailbuoy.no/. It would seem that they have a simple design, the rudder being the only actuated control surface. Hence...
by John Perry
Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:54 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner
Replies: 12
Views: 27975

Re: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner

Hi Alex A delayed reply since Josephine and I have been sailing along the coast of croatia in our sailing dinghy so not much opportunity for looking at internet. Yes, pushing might work, or perhaps towing from a pole extending from the side of the towing boat. We will try again some time. John Perry 8
by John Perry
Thu May 31, 2018 7:19 am
Forum: Craft
Topic: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner
Replies: 12
Views: 27975

Re: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner

Alex - Here is another one that also has twin masts rotating in a circle! - http://www.mathisruhl.com/P-WM70T.html
by John Perry
Wed May 30, 2018 10:19 am
Forum: Craft
Topic: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner
Replies: 12
Views: 27975

Re: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner

hi Alex - yes I would be interested to read about Croseck's experiments. The books you mention are available second hand from various websites but it would be convenient for me if you could email the study to me as you sugest. j_perry@btinternet.com. Thanks. Regarding your proposal to tow your boat ...
by John Perry
Mon May 28, 2018 12:30 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner
Replies: 12
Views: 27975

Re: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner

OK, fair enough, the polar diagrams included in your article are just an idea of the performance you would like to achieve and (with tongue in cheek), since you don't have any units on the graphs I am sure the boat will achieve the performance you are looking for! But seriously, it looks as though y...
by John Perry
Sat May 26, 2018 10:17 am
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: Speedweek Trials
Replies: 4
Views: 11006

Re: Speedweek Trials

Salvage - Sorry if you did not get a response in time, although maybe you did by private message. Yes, it did go ahead although with only a few people present. I went along for one day to see what was happening. On the day I was there Fred tried for the first time a small simple wingsail that he has...
by John Perry
Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:57 am
Forum: Craft
Topic: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner
Replies: 12
Views: 27975

Re: Kasala latest news: crutches’ corner

Hi Alex I read your article about the 'Kasala' project in the current AYRS newsletter. It does look to be a very nicely built boat and I look forward to hearing about a successful launch - it seems that you have done nearly all the work and just need to buy some sails and bolt on a few off the shelf...
by John Perry
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:01 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: MicroTransat
Replies: 21
Views: 45849

Re: MicroTransat

A nice one at this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-n ... d-43838985
Doing quite well considering!
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by John Perry
Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:28 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: MicroTransat
Replies: 21
Views: 45849

Re: MicroTransat

Hi Mike, I expect that the AYRS membership would be interested to hear more about your design and your progress through this Forum and/or through AYRS publications so I hope that at some stage you will feel able to tell us more.
by John Perry
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:22 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: MicroTransat
Replies: 21
Views: 45849

Re: MicroTransat

Hi Mike Best wishes for your project, its good to hear that you have thought everything out really thouroghly. Just a quick comment on your comment that a water pump would just not be viable because of its power consumption. A very quick google search turned up this small pump, but there may well be...
by John Perry
Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:51 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: MicroTransat
Replies: 21
Views: 45849

Re: MicroTransat

The Saildrone people now seem to have a whole fleet of autonomous model yachts roaming the oceans. Here are a couple of links:

http://saildrone.com/
https://newatlas.com/saildrones-csiro/53117/ - this one also has a mention of the clever 'Waveglyder' wave powered autonomous vessel.
John
by John Perry
Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:48 pm
Forum: Craft
Topic: MicroTransat
Replies: 21
Views: 45849

Re: MicroTransat

I attended the AYRS meeting at Thorpe (Surrey UK) on Saturday and at this meeting Richard Walker gave an excellent presentation of the team's approach to meeting this challenge - they have definitely put a lot of thought into this and should very soon be ready to start basic testing of prototypes, a...
by John Perry
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:50 pm
Forum: Wind- & Water-turbines, Propellors, Human power
Topic: Yullah WAS Fishwics Brief Bio
Replies: 1
Views: 7617

Re: Yullah WAS Fishwics Brief Bio

Hi Mike I am not the 'webmaster'here, nor do I no much about the design of yulohs, but since no one else has answered your questions I will try: Q1) - you seem to have appended your post to a post by Simon Fishwick in the section intended for new forum contributors to tell people a bit about themsel...
by John Perry
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:04 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: Royal Institute of Navigation Meetings
Replies: 1
Views: 8098

Re: Royal Institute of Navigation Meetings

Did anyone get to the RIN lecture that Simon mentioned in the previous post? Is there any progress on any AYRS project in this area?
John
by John Perry
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:54 pm
Forum: Hydrofoils
Topic: Sonic tubes
Replies: 1
Views: 8116

Re: Sonic tubes

Having just watched the part of the video that you refer to I have to say that this sounds suspiciously like an attempt to impress the viewer with scientific sounding waffle! If the presenter believes that the 'sonic tube' design provides a performance benefit then why does he not present data to su...
by John Perry
Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:59 pm
Forum: Technical Papers for review and comment
Topic: Howard Fund
Replies: 38
Views: 16777215

Re: Howard Fund

Hi Alex - your workmanship, as evidenced by your photographs, looks superb! One point I would make with regard to keel section is that I think you need to consider the situation when the wind is strong, the boat is trying to go to windward so keel loading is high but speed through the water is very ...
by John Perry
Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:39 am
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: AYRS Devon Meeting - CHANGE OF DATE - 1st April 2017
Replies: 0
Views: 11760

AYRS Devon Meeting - CHANGE OF DATE - 1st April 2017

We have changed the date for our AYRS Devon meeting to Saturday 1st April 2017. The reason is that the original date did not suit a couple of our local members. I realise that we cannot choose dates to suit everbody but the numbers attending these meetings have never been large, so the absence or pr...
by John Perry
Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:51 pm
Forum: Events & other announcements
Topic: AYRS Devon meeting - Saturday 11th March 2017
Replies: 0
Views: 12191

AYRS Devon meeting - Saturday 11th March 2017

The exact location for this meeting will depend on the level of interest. In past years the meeting has been held in John and Josephine's house at Wembury, a coastal village about six miles to the south east of the centre of Plymouth. This will probably be the location for our meeting in 2017, unles...